Questions and Answers

During WCG's doctrinal changes, they added more contradictions to the confusion by saying that HWA was a "sincere Christian," "made some mistakes, "didn't completely understand the Bible," had a "lack of theological education" (Charisma and Christian Life Magazine, 1996) which led to "wrong interpretations," held "unusual beliefs," "unusual views," and "unorthodox doctrines" but...."was a minister of Jesus Christ" and "devoted to Christ." (March 7, 1995 Worldwide News, Vol. XXIII, NO.5, p. 3). In April 1995 the leaders said that they "regarded HWA as a minister of Jesus Christ" and "do not believe he needs to be condemned." (MacGregor Ministries, News & Views, p. 4) Then on 4-30-96 and 5-1-96 Joseph Tkach Jr. was interviewed on D. James Kennedy's Christian radio program Truths that Transform and stated that Herbert Armstrong was a "very sincere Christian who was dedicated to Christ." (WCG's 1998 book Transformed by Christ: a Brief History of the WCG includes such statements. Read ESN article: Transformed by Christ (A Review of Worldwide Church of God's Book.) WCG stated: "Mr. Armstrong's greatest legacy is his commitment to live by every word of God - to believe the Bible and faithfully obey its teachings." ("Where We Have Been; Where We Are Going," Welcome to our Fellowship, 1995, 1999.) Joseph Tkach Jr. said: "Herbert Armstrong, in spite of errors he taught, had a high view of Scripture." (Interview of Joseph Tkach at the January 1997 National Religious Broadcasters (NRB) Convention.)

Yet Herbert W. Armstrong stated, "Christ is not the gospel. Believing on Christ is not believing the gospel." (Voice clip of HWA giving a Bible Study and marking Buck Taylor; heard on tape two, pt. 2 of: "My Story" by C. Wayne Cole, 5-19-79)

In 2006 Tkach Jr. said, "Mr. Armstrong, a sincere Christian, unwittingly made some mistakes." (letter to ESN: Tkach Misrepresents HWA at Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches.)

Herbert W. Armstrong and the Incest

Deception Surrounding Worldwide Church of God Changes (covers how Tkach Jr. said the source of the changes were Herbert Armstrong himself and also how Tkach Sr. said that HWA "changed his mind" before he died in regard to what he previously taught)

Does it appear that WCG is headed in a New Age direction?

Read the following:

Worldwide Church of God: New Changes, Ecumenical & New Age Connections

Letter to Worldwide Church of God, Philippines (On Apostasy--A Radical Proposal)

A Rebuttal to Michael Morrison

Last Wake-Up Call to Joseph Tkach Jr. Goes Unheeded

Why are you critical of the new WCG?

In order to be discerning, one needs to look not only at the roots and fruits of an organization and its leaders, but the methods used in making their changes. If we see that it is necessary for leaders to cover up the sins of the founder, focusing mainly on his "doctrinal wrongs," to whitewash him by using history revision and twisting of facts, and to discount and denigrate any who would speak up and expose these things, then we are seeing the same abusive methods that the old WCG has always resorted to. It should also raise a big question in our minds as to why any would want to stay connected to such a "church" and not instead remove themselves as far away as they can. This is not to say that there are not individual congregations who are unaware of the facts about WCG and who believe they are sincerely trying to serve Christ and their brethren. But a question again is, why do they find it necessary to remain tied to a HQ that has the job of imparting to their members their belief system, their discipleship training, their direction, etc.? Why have these people not broken free and formed completely independent Christian churches? Why are they still sending their tithes and offerings to HQ? Would it have anything to do with their feeling comfortable staying in the same place and being told what to do? Do these members still see Worldwide Church of God (HQ) as "their church"? Have their leaders somehow made them believe that "God did something special with us"?

While we have covered these issues in many places on our site, it is important for members to think for themselves instead of going along with what they've always been told by their leaders.

See articles under Research Info on Worldwide Church of God.

Also read previous Q&A: "Does it appear that WCG is headed in a New Age direction?"

Do any cultic mentalities remain in the present WCG?

There have been reports/testimonies that there are still problems with cultic mentalities and mindsets. This has especially shown itself in regard to how former members have been treated when they attempted to confront WCG leaders or ministers with abuses or errors. Edgardo who wrote hundreds of letters to HQ and to many WCG ministers is a case in point (See his: Last Wake-up Call to Joseph Tkach Jr.) In addition, there are still some members in WCG, especially overseas, who are secretly holding to HWA and his doctrines (with an accompanying cultic mindset), and who say they are waiting until "God changes the church." (source: email forwards to ESN). Other members we are in touch with still talk about "changing their attitude," "praying about their attitude" (i. e., if they get angry) and "acting out behavior which is the opposite of how they feel." These are some of the same mind manipulating methods WCG members were taught to use on themselves before the changes.

Also, see the following:

Abused by WCG When I Attempted to Leave Their Fellowship (posted in 2007)

Something Feels Unhealthy in WCG (two letters sent to ESN in 2007)

Are Some Worldwide Church of God Ministers Still Holding to Herbert W. Armstrong Doctrines? (correspondence with WCG minister; 2004)

Exiting Member Writes His Pastor About WCG Selling Copyrights (and minister's reply)

The WCG Has Changed Little in Their Tactics (posted in Oct. 2003)

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Questions About Herbert W. Armstrong:

Can you give me some info on Herbert Armstrong?

For much historical background info, read: Worldwide Church of God.

Also see the articles under: Questioning Herbert W. Armstrong (was he who he said he was?).

Do you have articles that refute HWA's doctrines?

Yes. Go to Questioning Herbert W. Armstrong / Questioning HWA's doctrines.

Wasn't HWA just a man who made mistakes?

Read the following:

"None of God's Servants Were Perfect" (for those who like to use this reasoning)

It is Hard to Shed the Image of Herbert Armstrong

Did HWA have God's truth?

Read the following:

Did Herbert W. Armstrong Have God's Truth?

Answering Someone Who Believes God Gave His Truth to Herbert Armstrong

Haven't HWA's prophecies just not come to pass yet?

This is an excuse which certain ministers in some of the WCG splinter groups (i.e., Church of the Great God, Philadelphia Church of God, etc.) use. The argument is that, given enough time, all the prophecies (or "predictions") which HWA said will eventually come to pass. It was HWA himself that first said only his "timing was wrong"--and this after giving 21+ prophetic failures during the 1930's and 40's. What these ministers do not tell their members is that the prophets in O.T. times not only prophesied what was coming in the future, but they told what was going to happen locally in the immediate future. This was how people knew whether someone qualified as a true prophet of God. The local event had to transpire exactly as it was predicted. When it did, the people knew it was a true prophet compared to a false prophet.

Did Herbert W. Armstrong Really Set Dates?

Was HWA a racist?

Herbert Armstrong introduced into WCG the Aryan racist belief of British Israelism ("lost ten tribes of Israel") which teaches that the United States and Great Britain are the chosen people of God.

For more info read:

HWA's early (including racist) activities

British Israelism--True or False?

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Questions About Philadelphia Church of God:

What can you tell me about PCG?

Read the following:

What is the Philadelphia Church of God?

Mike's Enlightenment Page (much info on PCG and Gerald flurry; includes the above link)

Is PCG now the Laodicean church?

A number of members have been exiting the PCG, labeling it the "Laodicean church." Some reasons for believing this are because Flurry has said PCG has riches, wealth and "has it all." ("To Him Who Conquers," February 24, 2001 sermon), yet is not "rich spiritually." However, PCG could never be considered anything close to a Christian church as mentioned in the Bible. Instead it has the identifying marks of an exploitive, abusive group; aka a Bible-based cult. This is where many former members of PCG have become mixed up and sadly deceived. Hence they often exit PCG and go into another false group that may not be as destructive as PCG, but will nevertheless exploit and control them and continue to deceive them concerning HWA.

Where Do I Find the "One True Church"?

Where will PCG members go when they think it's time to flee?

Philadelphia Church of God and the Place of Safety.

What is the new ruling about "Laodicean" family members?

Gerald Flurry's Sermon: Exposing Satan (explains the "no contact" ruling stated in 2005) Includes at end: A Letter to Flurry (from one impacted by the "no contact ruling")

Why does PCG emphasize the government of God? [Note: the phrase "government of God" is also used in other controlling WCG offshoots]

"Government of God" are words which are intended to connect with the group's leader and its headquarters, which members are to unquestionably obey in all matters and at all times. Those who don't are said to have "a government problem." This total obedience opens the member up to the mind control abuse of the system.

"Those involved in a totalistic Bible-based group become enmeshed in the government of that organization." (Taken from: How to Recover After Exiting a Deceptive, Abusive Group)

Members in PCG (as in all totalistic groups) believe that to question Gerald Flurry is the same as questioning God. They believe they are building more and more of the "character of God," when, in reality, they are only becoming more submissive to the government of the organization. Read the first paragraph in How to Recover... for more info.

The words, "government of God" are not mentioned in Scripture. In fact, there is no military model of government even found in the New Testament. (See chap. 9 of Damaged Disciples by Ron and Vicki Burks). Although PCG will try and use 2 Peter 2:10: "...despise government.." to try to correlate this somehow with "God's government" (which translates in their minds to PCG headquarters), the verses 10 through 16 are describing false teachers in the first century of the church. The word "government" in 2 Peter 2:10 really means "dominion" and occurs few times in the Bible.

PCG's teaching about the "government of God" comes from Herbert Armstrong who hammered this home. Those in the group who were disobedient to the "government" were considered rebellious and were disfellowshipped and/or marked. HWA even stated that in the "World Tomorrow" rebellious mortals would be forced into a life of obedience and submission as a result of this government. He called this "compulsory joy." (AC Bible Correspondence Course, Lesson 4) However, the Bible shows that God never forces anyone into anything.

Did Christ Reorganize the Church? (1939 article by HWA showing he condemned hierarchal church government in the early years)

What advice do you have if I am considering joining PCG?

To All Who Are Considering Joining Philadelphia Church of God and also be sure and read the section at the end: What if I am becoming hooked on PCG literature?

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Questions About Restored Church of God:

What can you tell me about David C. Pack and RCG?

Information on Restored Church of God (David C. Pack) (several articles)

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Questions About Living Church of God:

What can you tell me about Rod Meredith's group, LCG?

Read the following:

What Happens if I Join Roderick Meredith's Living Church of God?

Rod Meredith's All or Nothing Statement

Letters regarding Living Church of God Shooting Spree in Brookfield, Wisconsin, 3-12-05

Rod Meredith and his first connection with Global Church of God

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Questions About United Church of God-AIA:

What can you tell me about UCG?

What You Should Know About United Church of God-AIA.

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Questions about other Offshoots

Which offshoots do you have info on?

Articles on Offshoots and Splinter Groups of Worldwide Church of God

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Questions About Garner Ted Armstrong:

What can you tell me about GTA?

For Those Needing Information on Garner Ted Armstrong

Was GTA's sex scandal false?

Read the following:

Garner Ted Armstrong and the Masseuse

Letter Regarding GTA's Immorality (This excellent letter was distributed to the COG International brethren and may be applied to all cases of evil that is propagated by those who have absolute power, no matter the name of the group. Covers how it is both impossible and itself evil to refrain from making moral judgments.)

Stories About GTA Are True (letter from former member who worked with GTA)

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Questions About Members:

How can intelligent people become deceived?

Anyone can be susceptible to sophisticated thought reform methods. Leaders of deceptive, totalistic groups are skilled in coercive persuasion and mind control techniques. A number of them exhibit the behavior characteristics of sociopaths and have no conscience or scruples in regard to exploiting others. Setting themselves up as "spiritual authorities," they take advantage of people's vulnerabilities. Those who have carefully studied the literature of these groups will see that it is saturated with fear. This type of manipulation is called "fear phobia induction." Once the person is fear phobic, they become submissive to the authority in the group.

Those who trusted Herbert Armstrong weren't given all the facts upfront before they became a member. Instead, they were indoctrinated slowly by the booklets and Ambassador College Bible Correspondence Course. They were influenced to no longer trust any other outside Christian source and came to feel they had "proved" their beliefs themselves. How Did Herbert W. Armstrong Recruit People? shows the step by step process of how this was accomplished. Also read, What Should I Look For? in identifying an exploitive, abusive group.

All human minds are open to influence and persuasion, including intelligent people that are simply looking for answers to the many problems they see in society. Some may be going through a difficult time in their life and the group's literature appears to provide answers. Other people may be idealistic and naïve.

Lifton's Eight Criteria of Mind Control (includes how it has been used by WCG and controlling offshoots)

What Kind of People are Cult Members? (shows it has nothing to do with one's intelligence)

Why did my loved one go into an abusive group?

Those who join abusive groups have not been informed ahead of time by the literature or broadcast all that will be expected of them once they become members. If people knew all that was behind the exciting and informative literature that they become immersed in, they wouldn't go in. Recruitment is very subtle; therefore, if someone doesn't research the history of a group, or its founder, and be sure all their questions are answered ahead of time, plus have a knowledge of how controlling, exploitive groups work, they can fall prey to this kind of deception. Once they read many of the group's free booklets, start sending in money to the organization and finally come to distrust all other literature, churches, and other sources of information, they come to believe the propaganda that they need to ask a minister of that group to baptize them and to begin attending services on a regular basis. This last step may take years, as the organization wants to make sure the person is thoroughly indoctrinated in their belief system and is sending in money on a regular basis. The end result is exploitation, abuse, and failed promises.

How Did Herbert W. Armstrong Recruit People?

Without My Informed Consent!

What happens to their personality?

Members in the high demand, totalistic groups form what is known as a "cult personality," or new personality, which is different than their personality before joining. (Refer to the book, Snapping: America's Epidemic of Sudden Personality Change by Flo Conway & Jim Siegelman.) This is also known as "doubling" and it can happen quickly or take approximately 3 l/2 years. They can also behave quite differently with the group (happy, upbeat), but switch and be totally different at home. They often become negative, sarcastic and judgmental toward "the world" and those outside their religious frame of mind. After exiting, the personality begins to re-organize itself. Read some of the books on our Booklist will help you understand how these groups work and how people are being harmed psychologically and spiritually in such systems. Members become, in most cases, "religious addicts." While very sincere in their desire to obey God, their trust has been used against them in order to exploit and control them.

There is no unconditional love in these groups, only "love-bombing." This is a manipulative technique where the new recruit is showered with positive attention and reinforcement which helps them to feel that joining is in their best interests. This "loving atmosphere" also enables the recruiters to access the psychological needs, fears, dependencies, and resistance of the person who is thinking of joining. Methods of shame and guilt are also used to keep them in line.

All others in the world are seen as "deceived and lost" except those who believe their way.

To be happy and contented with one's faith is entirely different than being tricked into believing (as a result of fear and coercion) that one is in God's "one true church," and all others outside of it are lost and headed for the tribulation or eternal death. Totalist (authoritarian) groups have done great damage to individuals by causing them to hold to the belief of unconditional submission to a man that claims to be "God's representative." For anyone to manipulate another person's mind for one's own gain is a great evil.

Without My Informed Consent! (Would you have gone into the group if you had known what the stipulations were?)

How Mind Manipulation is Used For Influence and Control

Why do they stay in these groups?

Members that have considered leaving, but don't, often feel trapped. They stay because they are held by their fears: fear their mind will be taken over by Satan;, fear of the lake of fire, fear of the great tribulation, fear of losing their salvation, fear of being cut off from family in the group; fear of nowhere to go if they leave (they believe it is "the true church") and fear that they will "cease to exist" if they find themselves on the outside, since their existence is in the group.

When taking on a new identity and new belief system (refer to the previous Q&A), they will become what the group leader desires--submissive, powerless, yet highly devoted and offering undying loyalty and servitude. In this state of mind, they discard and avoid all information which disagrees with what the leader teaches. They are taught to tell themselves and others (concerning whatever problems they see or experience as a result of their allegiance) that "God will take care of it." Therefore they dismiss any thoughts that something may be amiss. Outside their awareness, they are being exploited and controlled for the leaders' purposes.

Lifton's Eight Criteria of Mind Control (includes how it has been used by WCG and controlling offshoots)

Behavior, Information, Thought and Emotional Control [explains the four aspects of mind control; offsite link]

How do I help a friend or loved one leave?

A person in any of these groups may not be able to leave until they start having doubts and/or questions. You should never try to force them out. Their decision to leave could come about by seeing a contradiction in what the leadership says in contrast to with what they are actually doing (hypocritical behavior, etc.), discovering the real history of the group, including the history of WCG, or being abused by the leadership. Hearing from others that have left the group, and getting them to question many things is important. It is only through awareness and education, and learning the facts he didn't have upon joining, that an individual can regain his critical thinking skills. A thinking person can then make decisions to leave. Research in the United States has shown that if members have been away from the group for a period of time; i. e., three weeks, most of them tend to leave without exit counseling.

Members that are passive, positive, agreeable, lacking in critical thinking skills, having a need to be led, and who never cause any trouble to those in authority, are valuable assets to mind-controlling groups. The ones that speak up, or start asking too many uncomfortable questions, are soon gotten rid of. Those who are individualistic and inquisitive are more likely to leave.

People rarely come out of the deceptive and exploitive Armstrong groups because they discover the theology is wrong. It is rather when they are so abused by the leadership that they finally say to themselves, "this all cannot be of God." Then and only then do they begin to study into religious cults, as well as the theology, and begin to see things as they really are.

If You Have a Loved One in a Deceptive, Exploitive Group (shows what to do and not to do)

Opening the Closed Mind (directed at Jehovah's Witnesses, but contains questions that can help any member of deceptive groups to think) [offsite link]

Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think For Themselves (on our Booklist)

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Questions About Exiters:

Why do some exiters turn to agnosticism or atheism?

Read the following:

Why Do Many Exiters of Armstrongism Turn to Agnosticism or Atheism?

Will Exiters Who Become Atheists Have Another Chance For Salvation?

Mike's Answer to an Atheist (includes section at the bottom on, "Are Atheists Happy?" "What About Thomas Paine's Book?" "Refuting Common Atheist Claims" and "Confessions by Atheists")

The Spiritual Casualties (Former member writes about those who exited WCG and turned to agnosticism/atheism)

Why do some exiters say The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine disproves the Bible?

Spiritual betrayal not only destroys a person's trust in others and in their own ability to make wise decisions, but it strikes at the very center of their emotions in being able to trust or believe in a loving God. As a result of being betrayed by Herbert Armstrong, some exiters have decided that reading agnostic/atheistic books is the answer to helping them "think logically." These books, however, have ended up causing them to lose any faith they may have previously felt they had and to become deceived again--this time in believing the words of others that the Bible "isn't true and Jesus never existed." This is only another form of deceit and bondage.

Thomas Paine's book has been one such ancient book which some agnostics and atheists (or "deists," "freethinkers" "unbelievers," or "humanists" as they like to call themselves), seem to feel can be used to disprove the Word of God.

What About Thomas Paine's book? (More info about Paine and his book are at the end of Mike's Answer to an Atheist. Also covers Paine's interest in Freemasonry and how he was an alcoholic.)

Common Nonsense: Or a Real Paine in the Posterior (A review of Thomas Paine's book; shows that Paine's tactics and arguments have been proven worthless many times over.) [offsite link]

Why do some exiters go into the Roman Catholic Church?

A number of members in the WCG were former Roman Catholics. After exiting, the system of rituals, traditions and structure found in the RCC can feel very familiar. An emphasis on works is prevalent in the RCC, as it was in WCG (and its authoritarian offshoots). The RCC considers itself the "mother" church and the Pope is the "father"; likewise, HWA taught WCG was the "mother" and members felt HWA was their "father." When the Pope speaks, it is supposed to be the same as the voice of God; likewise, when HWA spoke it was to be the same as God speaking. Here are a few other comparisons that are similar and can also apply to authoritarian, works-oriented offshoot groups of WCG:

Hierarchy with supreme teaching authority
Believes it is the true church (refers to itself as "the Church")
Adds other books to the Bible
Use of words that sound Christian, but which have a different meaning
Denies the sufficiency of our Lord's Person and work
Believes in baptismal regeneration (that baptism is necessary for salvation)
Adds works or rituals to the gospel of grace
Members do not have an assurance of eternal salvation
Confession of one's sins to a man
Fear and guilt involved (also superstitious)
A history of immorality, sexual and financial abuses
Cover-up and history revision

This kind of system basically says that the path to God is by works and rituals, and through their church (considered the one true church). However, the Scriptures are clear that salvation is through the one-time sacrifice of Christ on the cross for all our sins. There is nothing a believer can add to that. We are already in the "true church" if we place our faith in Christ.

Comparisons Between the Philadelphia Church of God and the Roman Catholic Church

Catholicism: Should We Embrace it? (Is the Roman Catholic Church the "true church"? Or does she teach another gospel? How much has she changed since Vatican II?)

Vatican told bishops to cover up sex abuse (From The Observer, 8-17-03) The Observer has obtained a 40-year-old confidential document from the secret Vatican archive which lawyers are calling a "blueprint for deception and concealment."

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Questions about Recovery:

How do I recover after exiting an abusive group?

The following is by L. A. Stuhlman, founder of ESN:

The healthiest ex-members are those who have patiently studied their way through: (1) the deception of the WCG; (2) full understanding of what a cult is, how it functions in society, and the repercussions of cult involvement and, (3) spiritual discernment through: a) learning how WCG used techniques that spiritually damaged members (such as Scripture twisting); b) networking with others who have experience and sensitivity with the understanding of GRACE vs. LAW and the Gospel as understood by traditional Christianity; c) following through on the booklist provided which leads members into making solid decisions backed up by factual content and not just emotion, which often leads to toxic faith syndrome. That is the basic triangle of healing we use here. There is no particular order in the healing process. It has proven to be most successful when the exiter becomes responsible for his own recovery on his own time schedule. Understanding of corruption and deception within the organization has proven to be instrumental in leading the exiter away from the Armstrong dogma and into clear traditional Christian understanding. Recovery consists of breaking down every facet of manipulation and building a solid foundation on truth.

The following links are helpful for all exiters:

Exiting an Exploitive, Deceptive Group (Transcript of tape EX-3)

How to Recover After Exiting a Deceptive, Abusive Group

Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder

Where Do the Feelings Go? (Covers processing painful thoughts; includes a section on: "How Do I Go About Writing and What Do I Write About?")

Articles For Those Who Were Emotionally and Spiritually Abused (includes above four)

Understanding Mind Control and Exploitive Groups (articles for exiters)

Exiters Tell What Has Helped Them to Heal From Armstrongism

Books for exiters (Understanding Mind Control / Recovering From Spiritual and Emotional Abuse)

Tapes for exiters

If you feel counseling is needed, it is important to find a counselor that understands controlling and/or abusive groups and trauma, or is willing to educate themselves on such.

What do I do about phobias?

A phobia is a persistent, irrational fear that is being triggered. One of the main techniques mind manipulating groups use to control their members is fear. Their literature is saturated with it. These fears can remain for years if the exiter doesn't work hard on breaking free from them.

Read how WCG made use of fear phobia induction. Once a person becomes fear phobic, they become submissive to the authority of the group and are vulnerable to exploitation.

Cognitive therapy, coupled with the Word of God, is the most effective therapy for phobias that resulted from the group's abusive teachings. (Note: Many exiters, especially child survivors, are unable to read (or hear quotes from) the Bible, due to it being used against them in the group. If the counselor is a Christian counselor they must understand this and pay heed to how the counselee is feeling about this.) Therefore, when searching for a counselor the exiter should choose one that is adequately trained in this, along with having a good understanding of abusive groups and/or trauma (or be willing to learn). The counselor should not try to control the exiter or blame their problems only on what happened before joining the group; otherwise, they could be harmed by the therapy. [Read excerpts from chapter 12 of the book Captive Hearts; Captive Minds, which covers seeking professional counseling and questions to ask.]

It helps to be able to recognize the fear and then challenge it with the truth. For example, one way is to write the fear thoughts on the left side of the page in a column, and then on the right side in another column, challenge it by writing out what you rationally know is the truth.

Cognitive Focusing for Exiters (An Approach to Handling Depression, Anxiety, Fear & Guilt)

Some good books that might prove helpful are:

Releasing the Bonds (Chapter 10: "Unlocking Phobias")

Cults in Our Midst (Includes aftereffects of fear; fear used as a controlling technique, etc.)

Captive Hearts: Captive Minds: Freedom & Recovery From Cults & Abusive Relationships (Includes info on phobias)

Why do I have so much guilt?

In a system where perfection is the model, no human being can ever measure up. Abusive, high demand groups use guilt in order to control people. The end result is that the person blames themselves for not measuring up to what the group expects and demands of them. What exiters almost always have is "false guilt." To reverse this involves a process of unlearning false concepts (lies) that we have come to believe about ourselves. Understanding the love and grace of God can begin to erase those guilt feelings, whether true or false.

An End to Guilt (Excellent message that focuses on the unconditional love of God and gives a clear understanding of grace)

Why is it hard for me to attend a mainstream church?

Exiters placed their trust in and were betrayed by spiritual leaders; therefore, it is very common for those who have exited any abusive, authoritarian group to have a deep fear and distrust of anyone in a position of spiritual authority, and not to be able to attend a church for quite awhile, perhaps never. Going into another church can also present many triggers and exiters need to be aware of what to expect. Even attempting to sing certain hymns in some churches can cause problems (i. e., cognitive dissonance), since HWA changed many words in sacred hymns. Exiters will know when they are emotionally healed and want to try out another church.

We Found our Web Out of a Web of Confusion (covers why it's hard to attend an Orthodox church)

Are Exiters "Out of Fellowship With God" if They Don't Attend a Church?

It’s Hard to Get Close to God After Being in Philadelphia Church of God (also helpful for those who exited WCG)

Struggles With Attending Other Churches (several stories from exiters)

Those who suffered in a high demand group need time to rest and heal and to determine for themselves whom to trust again. It is more helpful to first spend time reading some books on mind control and spiritual abuse, and what is needed for recovery.

ESN's critical review of Mystery of the Ages helps exiters to understand how HWA knocked down mainstream Christian beliefs for the purpose of recruiting people into his group.

What about not forsaking the assembling together? (Q&A)

How can I untangle my mind from HWA's doctrines?

Untangling the mind control and the redefining of Scriptures and scriptural concepts that HWA taught is one of the most difficult things for exiters to deal with. It has been said that no one has ever twisted the Word of God like HWA did and those who were deeply entrenched in his belief system have had their minds mixed up so much that is it almost impossible to get their thinking straightened out again without a lot of hard work. But it can be accomplished.

HWA taught that "salvation is a process." That was not true. It was the mind control (programming) that was the "process" and it will take time to undo it. If exiters fail to undo the programming they received, they will remain "locked in Armstrongism" and will be vulnerable to joining a controlling group with similar doctrines.

Lifton's Eight Criteria of Mind Control (see our other articles under Understanding Mind Control and Exploitive Groups)

In addition to redefining the entire Bible, Herbert Armstrong redefined history; i. e., his own personal history, biblical and church history [See: True Original Church/Faith Once Delivered (Proof Herbert Armstrong Lied About the "Lost" Church Century)] and the history of the Worldwide Church of God. There is ample documentation to prove that his own history as reported by himself was a lie. [See our Booklist on WCG and HWA]

It is hard for exiters to read the Bible, but if, or when, they desire to, it is suggested that they read in the New Testament and stay out of the Old Testament for awhile. Start perhaps with Galatians, Ephesians, and Romans. Read and believe what the Scriptures say, not what HWA said they mean. Pray and ask God to guide you as you read and to reveal to you what He wants you to understand. In addition, take a Bible concordance and notice how many times the word "grace" is mentioned in the New Testament, along with the context the verse is in. Also, read and write down each occurrence of the gospel being preached by the apostles. Look for what the commonalities are in the preaching of the gospel. It will become clear that the gospel is the key to everything, and not the Law. You will begin to see this mentioned over and over again in the New Testament, especially in Paul's Epistles. The focus is no longer on the Mosaic Law given to the nation Israel, but on the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. The gospel proclaims salvation in Christ, by faith, through grace. (I Cor. 15:1-4)

The following on our site may prove helpful:

For Christians who want to escape thinking that HWA had "the Truth"

Mystery of the Ages (a critical review) (Two critical reviews by ESN which show how HWA was able to deceive people and to substitute a false gospel for the true gospel; covers his doctrines)

What Were the Lies and What is the Truth? (replacing HWA's fear-based statements with the truth from the Word of God)

If further study is desired:

Thru the Bible Radio Network (with the late J. Vernon McGee [1904-1988]. His down-to-earth expository messages reveal Christ as the centerpiece of Scripture and give a true understanding of grace and our position in Christ. He goes through the entire Word of God in 5 years (M-F), alternating between O.T. and N.T. (Presently in the book of 2 Corinthians.) The 5 year schedule is posted on our site. Broadcast in over 100 languages and dialects.

Living God Ministries with Aaron Budjen has helped others transition from law to grace. Strongly distinguishing the old and new covenants. (CDs available)

Biblical Studies (from our Booklist)

The Work of Christ (His past work, present work, future work; excellent article by the late Arno C. Gaebelein)

Holiness - The False and the True (The fruitless struggle to attain holiness; covers true sanctification; by the late Harry Ironside)

Books that are helpful in refuting Armstrong's doctrinal errors (from our Booklist)

Finally, realize that we do not need to get every false doctrine straightened out in our mind all at once. These things take years and even then we can never claim to know it all. Only all or nothing groups will proclaim that.

Have exiters told what has helped them heal from Armstrongism?

Exiters Tell What Has Helped Them to Heal From Armstrongism (some results from our anonymous survey)

How do I help someone recover?

Exiters of high demand groups want to be understood; feel normal, worthwhile, secure, trusted, accepted; to be free to doubt, and to be respected. (Taken from Caring for Cult Victims)

After educating yourself on how emotionally and spiritually damaging these groups are (and how they are capable of causing complex post traumatic stress disorder), you will be better prepared to help a friend or loved one to recover. Be willing to listen patiently and non-judgmentally whenever they desire to talk about their experience. Never push anything on someone who has left an authoritarian group, as exiters are very sensitive to being controlled. It can also feel like a re-programming of their minds if you try to force a particular belief system on them, or urge church attendance, no matter how correct you feel it is. Remember that survivors of mind-manipulating or high demand groups have had the Bible used on them in a negative way. Therefore, it is normal for them to not be able (or even want) to open the Bible right after exiting, due to triggers and fears, and to not trust any religious leaders or organizations. It is common for them to find it hard to even trust God.

Notice the following from Captive Hearts, Captive Minds, "Issues of Belief," p. 164:

"Most former members shy away from organized religion or any kind of organized group for quite awhile after leaving their cult, and pastoral counselors are advised to do no proselytizing to former members at this time."

For exiters of Armstrongism who are interested in learning about grace versus the works of the law, a Bible commentary such as The Bible Knowledge Commentary, or another non-legalistic Christian book, often paves the way until they are able to read the Bible themselves. However, no one should insist on Bible reading for those who have been in any type of high demand group, as it takes years to undo the emotional and spiritual scars.

When the time comes that they show an interest in understanding more about the history of the group they were in and how mind manipulative groups (a. k. a. "cults") function in our society, don't feel you have to be the one to furnish all the information you can find, or it could prove overwhelming. Allow them to have an active part in their own recovery and learn to make their own decisions. It is important for them to know they are not powerless. (see Q&A above: How do I recover after exiting an abusive group?)

Intense emotions are normal whenever anyone has been coerced, abused and exploited. Furnish a safe place for them to talk; give them time to rest; to evaluate their goals and identity. When they are ready and if they show an interest, help them to comprehend what grace is compared to the striving and perfectionism that was enforced in the group. Let them know that there is hope, and that you support them unconditionally.

Recovery From Spiritual Abuse - How You Can Help [good offsite article]

Common Spiritual Difficulties After a High Demand Group

The Law of Moses and the Grace of God (helpful for understanding the difference)

Booklist (includes Understanding Mind Control / Recovering From Spiritual and Emotional Abuse)

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Questions About Our Site:

How did ESN start?

About Us

What are your beliefs?

First of all, we do not believe that doctrine should be used to control, deceive or exploit others. Neither do we believe that anyone should force their beliefs on survivors who have suffered mind control and spiritual abuse, since their trust has been betrayed in the deepest sense of the word. Simply stated, we at ESN believe that eternal life is found only through faith, by grace, in the Lord Jesus Christ, who is Truth, not a particular church, denomination, or organization, and that He completed everything for us on the cross in a finished and perfect atonement.

What Do We Believe? (our statement of beliefs for informational purposes)

Why are you critical of WCG and certain offshoots?

Worldwide Church of God destroyed thousands of innocent lives in the name of "god" through fraud, intentional abuse and exploitation in the form of mind control. While WCG history may be changed and covered up (using doctrine as a distraction), this is a holocaust that cannot be simply buried and forgotten. We tell the other side of the story as a testimony to the victims.

One reason we post the things we do is to help others avoid going into abusive and destructive splinter groups that engage in the same practices the WCG was known for. Those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to suffer the same fate for lack of knowledge.

Read the following:

Is ESN Wrong for Criticizing Worldwide Church of God and its Authoritarian Offshoots?

Outsider's Inside Updates (Newsletters of Understanding)

Articles on Exposing/Judging

Why are pseudonyms used?

Pseudonyms are sometimes used on the site for two reasons:

(1) Survivors of abusive and controlling religious groups have had their trust severely broken, and they do not wish to take the chance of being harassed or threatened by their former group, receive criticism from family still in, or have to explain their involvement to friends. Therefore, pseudonyms are often given unless the exiter requests we use their real name.

(2) Basic Internet Security bulletins put out by officials, including police agencies, recommend several ways to stay safe on the internet. One of these is to not give out personal information such as full names and/or addresses.

Do you have a forum?

No. Read: Why We Don't Have a Forum

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Questions About the Law, Works and Salvation:

Note: Exiters have had the Bible used on them in order to control, coerce, exploit and manipulate others. The following information is listed for those who have expressed an interest in these subjects. Sorting through one's personal beliefs after exiting a high demand group takes time.

Aren't we supposed to keep the Law?

Read the following articles:

Are We Still Under the Law in Spite of Grace? (Includes at bottom: "Aren't works necessary for salvation?")

Must We Keep the Law for Salvation? (answers many questions)

Is it necessary to keep the O.T. Holy Days?

The real question regarding the O.T. holy days is whether they were enjoined on Christians and specifically Gentile Christians in the early church.

The O.T. holy days were shadows, or "pictures of Christ." Once we have the "reality" which is Christ, there is no need to continue in the shadows. Christians are saved through and by faith in Christ, and not faith in Christ and the Law.

Also see the following:

Let Go of Days, Take Hold of Christ

Why Church Leaders Demand Holy Days For Their Members

Isn't Leviticus 23:21 clear that these days are a statute forever?

True Meaning of Day of Atonement (letter to ESN)

Could you explain Colossians 2:16-17?

Colossians 2:16-17: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

Larry J. Walker (pastor in United Church of God-AIA in Oregon) wrote a lengthy article on these passages, relating how HWA "claimed that the Colossians were being judged for keeping the Sabbath and Holy days" and that "the translators' addition of the word 'is' after 'body' perverted the meaning of the verse." Herbert Armstrong did not use proper Biblical scholarship. D. M. Canright thoroughly covers Colossians 2 in chapter 15 of his book Seventh-Day Adventism Renounced.

The following was sent to us from Mike Oppenheimer regarding a question we sent him about Walker's interpretation:

There is a twist of a complete 180 degrees. Paul is saying the festivals (Lev. 23) and the Sabbaths are all types (shadows) of Christ who has come. He is contrasting the body with the former shadows. Rom.14:1-17 would go along with that. In context of the letter and the other writings of Paul, it would be believers who do not hold to the former Jewish practices in the Old Covenant.

Paul previously told them of the riches--the knowledge of the mystery of God, both of the Father and of Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge (I Cor. 2:7), so it makes absolutely no sense that he would then uphold the Old Testament shadows as continuing, if the true reality, the substance that is Christ, is available to them.

Eliminating "is" does not change the meaning when read in context--which are a shadow of things to come. [The NIV reads: "These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ." Reality or "substance" (sōma, lit. "body") is found in Christ.] Christ has come, therefore as Paul says in Colossians 2:20-21: "Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not;").

It was the Gnostics that believed that abstaining from foods would make them holier. They [the Colossians] were not to be judged by anyone if they kept them or did not keep them--it was a personal preference.

Walker's view does not make sense when Paul wrote elsewhere the very same phrase--Hebrews 10:1: "For the law having a shadow of good things to come," [Sent to ESN from Let Us Reason Ministries. Read the author's article on: Colossians 2:16 - Sabbath or Sabbaths]

In addition, William Hohmann wrote the following:

What is overlooked in this diatribe [by Larry Walker] is that Paul identifies these things as being shadows in this context. What is a shadow? Something that has no substance. They are poor "reflections" or castings that are empty and hollow. This is hardly the language Paul would use if he were truly defending the Sabbath and Holy days, as the author claims, telling people not to let "Gnostic" Judaizers outside the body of Christ judge them for keeping or observing these days and festivals as though there were no such influences from within the body of Christ as evidenced in Acts 15 and other places such as Galatians chapter 3.

Whether we include the word "is" or not does not change the facts of the context. Eating and drinking, festivals, Holy days and the Sabbath are shadows without substance. That which has substance (sōma - a body) is Christ. The shadows have no "body." Again, Christians are complete in Christ--they are now a part of His body when we take Paul's use of analogy out to its conclusion. The shadows are not a part of this body of Christ's, and neither is the Christian a part of the shadows.

In Mike Magill's Transline Translation of the New Testament, which is a very literal translation, he translates the passage as such:

Therefore let no one judge you in eating and [or] in drinking, or in respect to a feast [festival] or new-moon or Sabbath Which are a shadow of the coming things, but the body is Christ's.

His marginal notes state in regards to the "body is Christ's."

Or, in a figurative sense, the "substance" the "reality." The OT rituals are shadowy pointers to the coming of the future realities in Christ. Said in reverse, Christ is the body that casts the shadows contained in the rituals of the Law. He is the reality.

In Colossians 2:17, it terminates with the phrase, "tode soma tou Xristou" literally, but the body [is] of the Christ, showing possession, hence Mike Magill opting for "Christ's" as his literal rendering.

Doesn't keeping the Ten Commandments play a part in salvation?

The Ten Commandments constituted the old covenant. The Law of Moses (which the Ten Commandments are a part of) was given to the children of Israel. This Law consisted of 613 commandments: the "Written Law" given on two tablets of stone and the "Oral Law" consisting of 603 commandments. All is considered the Mosaic Law. The Scriptures state that one cannot pick and choose from these 613 old covenant laws. If you are going to observe them, you are obligated to do the whole law, including the New Moons with their sacrifices. See Galatians 3:10 and online book Seventh-Day Adventism Renounced by D. M. Canright (a group HWA is known to have plagiarized many of his teachings from). After Christ came, the Law served its purpose and passed away as a system. Christians are no longer under the Law (Gal. 5:18). There is no more need or obligation to observe the Mosaic Law and the ceremonial types in order to "please God."

We can never be saved by keeping the Ten Commandments or doing any kind of works. Besides, no one can keep the Law--in thought, word or deed. Trying to keep the Decalogue actually stirs up the sin nature. (Rom. 7:8) It will condemns us and say we are guilty. In fact it was called "the ministry of death." (II Cor. 3:7-8) In contrast, the grace of God through Christ Jesus releases us from sin and death. Today we have the ever-abiding presence of the Holy Spirit. (John 14:16) The love of God in us produces the fruit of righteousness (sanctification of the Spirit). This does not include striving to keep the Mosaic Law in order to please God. After placing our faith in Christ as our personal Savior we are positionally in Christ and we have been made the righteousness of God in Him. (II Cor. 5:21).

If one is interested, there are some excellent resources on Galatians and Romans, by the late J. Vernon McGee to help one gain a good understanding about this subject. Once we understand what grace is (unmerited favor from God, not "conditional grace"), we realize that He has saved us and will keep us saved. There is nothing we can add to that. (See I John 5:11-13).

Aren't we supposed to try to keep the Ten Commandments? (Taken from our article, Must We Keep the Law for Salvation?)

The Law of Moses and the Grace of God (helpful for understanding the difference)

Are we Still Under the Law in Spite of Grace?

Is it essential that we keep the Sabbath?

If a religious group manipulates doctrine in order to coerce, exploit, manipulate, and control others, this is clearly wrong and should be exposed and the leadership held accountable. Even though there are many problems today in so-called Christian churches, what we should take exception with is when authoritarian groups use thought reform methods of fear, guilt and manipulation to say that one must keep the Sabbath, or else they will be cast out of "God's one true church" and (unless they repent and come back) will never obtain eternal salvation.

The Sabbath was the sign between God and ancient Israel. It was part of the old covenant, which was a national, temporal law for a national, temporal purpose. The following verses show the Israelites first received the Sabbath command from God through Moses. (See Nehemiah 9:13-14 and Deuteronomy 5:2-3).

We cannot pick and choose from the Mosaic Law. If we believe we must keep the 4th Commandment for salvation, then we are obligated to obey the entire Mosaic system, which included sacrifices, offerings, circumcision, incense, year of Jubilee, New Moons, etc. The Mosaic system (which consisted of 613 commandments) passed away when Christ died and was resurrected.

We find no mention of Paul instructing the Gentiles that they must keep the Sabbath. Furthermore, the Sabbath command is not mentioned at all in any of the Pauline epistles. Romans 13:8 mentions five of the Ten Commandments and then states, "if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself." There is no mention of the fourth commandment and that Christians need to "keep it holy." When our motive is love (the love of Christ in our hearts), there is no need for any other laws. The "law of Christ" mentioned in Gal 6:2 refers to "love one another" (John 13:34; 15:12), not to the Ten Commandments. The Christian is to live on a much higher plane than the Ten Commandments, and that is love. (Romans 13:10: "Love is the fulfilling of the Law.")

Herbert Armstrong emphasized the Sabbath and taught that it was a "sign" of the "one and only true church." This served to control members and led to a dogmatic insistence that one couldn't be converted unless they were in the "one true church." Such attitudes lead to a lack of grace and mercy in our dealings with others while focusing on a day with its do's and don'ts.

For those interested in doing a more in-depth study on the Sabbath:

Should the Sabbath be Observed Today? (excellent study)

Did Herbert W. Armstrong Distort Historical Church Documents?

Did Jeroboam Change the Sabbath to Sunday?

Sabbath and Sunday (Common Misunderstandings)

Which Day is the Christian Sabbath? (A Critique of Herbert W. Armstrong's Book)

The Sabbath in the New Testament [offsite link]

Seventh-day Adventism Renounced by D. M. Canright (This classic online book is helpful for those who are questioning Herbert Armstrong's teachings. Interesting chapters are 11: "Did the Pope Change the Sabbath?" and chapter 21: "Forty-Seven Prominent Texts Used by Sabbatarians Examined.") [book is also available through Amazon]

The Lord's Day From Neither Catholics nor Pagans: An Answer to Seventh-Day Adventism on this Subject by D. M. Canright (online book; very thorough in its research and testimonies; confronts the varied and many assertions of Sabbath keepers.)

The Pope Nor the Catholic Church Changed Sabbath to Sunday! (Did Pope Sylvester change the Sabbath during the time of Constantine?)

Is baptism necessary for salvation?

There is nothing wrong with being baptized after one has professed their faith in Christ as personal Savior; however, we must be careful about choosing one verse out of the Bible in contrast to others, or taking passages out of their historical context, in order to say baptism is "necessary for salvation." It is the Holy Spirit that baptizes us, not a ritual, and it is the gospel which saves us, not baptism. There are many Christians in the world who have been unable to partake of water baptism, yet they are secure in their salvation and know that Christ, through His Spirit, lives in them.

For more information on this subject, including how do we receive the Holy Spirit and what the Holy Spirit does in a believer's life today read:

Do We Only Receive the Holy Spirit As a Result of Baptism?

Is the Holy Spirit Only the Power of God?

Is tithing mandatory?

If one wishes to tithe today, they may, but it is not mandatory under grace. There is no record of the Apostle Paul instructing Christians about the "law of tithing." In each case in the N.T. when "giving" is being discussed it happens to be contributing to the needs of individuals, or, as in Paul's case, contributing to his needs as he went about preaching the gospel.

Tithing was a doctrine that HWA said was necessary if members were to be obedient to God and, as a result of that obedience, to inherit eternal salvation. But he demanded people tithe off of income instead of produce and livestock, as required in the old covenant law. Under the New Covenant Christians may give freewill offerings from the heart. On the other hand, to give to the point of neglecting one's own family is wrong, and those who do so are considered worse than an infidel (unbeliever). (I Timothy 5:8)

HWA claimed that members would be "blessed financially" if they paid all tithes (1st, 2nd and 3rd). When they weren't prospered, they were made to feel it was undoubtedly one of the following reasons: "didn't tithe faithfully," "need to learn faith and the lesson of obedience first," "stole from the 2nd tithe," "have not been faith in all tithes," or the most common: "didn't give in the right attitude." The only one who was prospering was HWA who stole tithes from the members while receiving no accountability.

Herbert W. Armstrong: The Rich Apostle (Is requiring accountability of finances wrong?)

Tithing? (brief, but very good, offsite article on tithing vs. Spirit-directed giving)

Should the Church Teach Tithing? (Reasons to Replace Tithing) [online book; very thorough; click on chap. titles on left]

Aren't we supposed to overcome and endure to the end?

We cannot lift one or two verses out of the Bible (such as HWA often did); e.g., Rev. 21:7 and Matt. 10:22 to try and prove a point, while at the same time overlook the context of the chapters and the many other verses that may conflict with what he tried to teach. It is important to separate the Kingdom promises to Israel from the Church.

These verses do not refer to a personal self-effort at endurance that results in one's eternal salvation. Some Bible teachers explain these passages as applying to the physical deliverance of Israel who trust in the Savior during the Tribulation. For instance, J. Vernon McGee in his Vol. 4 on Matt. 10:22 says this is referring to the fact that the Lord will be able to keep His own during this three year period.. Similarly, he says that Matt. 24:13 means that "the Lord will be able to keep His own during the Great Tribulation period" and on Rev. 21:7: "all true believers are overcomers (I John 5:4-5), so this promise is not just for the 'spiritually elite.' "

Can we ever lose our salvation?

Jesus tells us He is able to save to the uttermost all those that come unto God by Him. (See Heb. 7:25). All that come to Him, He will not cast out. (See John 6:37) He also says that He gives us eternal life and we will never perish, neither is any man able to take us out of His hand. (See John 10:28) We are sealed with His Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption. (2 Cor. 1:22; Eph. 1: 13; 4:30) We have an inheritance (that does not fade away) reserved for us in heaven. (I Peter 1:4) We may backslide or stumble, but we will never perish because He holds on to us, not vice versa. Jesus is the Good Shepherd and He will seek His lost sheep (those who wander away). However, we all know of those who "said" they trusted Christ but then we saw how they later wanted nothing more to do with Him or the Bible, calling such things "foolishness" and a "waste of time." Some who have seemingly "given up t