Hi Angie,

Thanks for your reply. Yes, you can forward any notes I send on Icke. I am attaching to this e-mail a page that I wrote in the past that will cover many more points concerning Icke's beliefs. (In the attachment "HWA" stands for "Herbert W. Armstrong" and you can remove this unless you are trying to help someone from the WCG.) I will attach this in Word 6.0 and please let me know if it doesn't open for you. (If you need it, I also saved a short posting that talks about how Icke proclaimed himself "the reborn messiah.")

Icke used to admit that he got his info from spirits, but now he says much of the information has been given by "former high ranking army officers and intelligence personnel." I also came across a piece on the web that said "members of the nazi group C18 have turned up at his meetings and the vast majority of his followers don't appear to be able or willing to recognise Icke for what he is--a fascist." [taken from a web article ecofascism? at http://www.gn.apc.org/gridlock/ecofasc.htm]

I had a similar experience with someone that was very excited with Icke's books.  ... What Icke says is capable of destroying one's faith in God and Christ!

Reading books like The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow by Constance Cumbey and Between Christ and Satan by Kurt Koch and then comparing it to the beliefs of Icke in his book, Truth Vibrations will help one to clearly see that Icke's philosophy is nothing but Occult/New Age lies. Icke says he has "new revelations." Well, this is what the occult always claims! I believe that Icke is especially dangerous to those Christians that know about or are researching the NWO. Little do they know that Icke is out to destroy true Christianity!

Let me know if I can help you in any other way. God bless you.

D.  
Exit & Support Network™

From D. Williams, ESN, to Angie Carlson, August 1, 1999:

Angie, I thought you might be able to use these e-mails (pasted below) to minister to any Christians that are deceived by Icke's books. They are some of the things that I said to someone that I was trying to help. I know this Icke stuff is time consuming and crazy, but perhaps it can eventually help someone see the occult/New Age connection and do some research on their own. You can post or forward any of this. 

God bless.

D.
Eph. 6:13

Further info on Icke from D. Williams, ESN, 1999:

I am continuing to question his religious views. He believes in reincarnation and Karma and that we have chosen whatever happens to us. He said he had a "vision" and he "felt" what Jesus felt on the cross. (It's odd that the only pain he felt was in the wrists and hands and feet.) He said that what really happened was that Jesus was given a drug on the cross and Joseph of A. bribed here and there to take the body away (which was still alive) where it was nurtured back to health until Jesus was able to go appear to his disciples.

This goes way beyond the "swoon theory." If anyone has read what happens before and during crucifixion, there is no way Jesus could have been tended to and then appeared in perfectly good health to deceive people enough to die terrible deaths for this concocted lie. If Jesus was of the character portrayed in the Bible, how could he have then went and deceived his followers like this? Also, what happened to how the spear was plunged into his side after he had already died? This line of reasoning will eventually cause us to discredit the whole story of Jesus, or to go along with those that say He never lived in the first place. Then what do we have left? If I just look forward to coming back again and again on this earth until I eventually "learn my lessons" and then unite with the "Godhead" as Icke calls it, it doesn't give me much to look forward to then and now. 

I want to relate to you some of what I've read so far in Icke's book Truth Vibrations (I did check out Days of Decision also). In Truth Vibrations Icke tells how he had been thinking of the possibility for a year or two that he was linked up or guided by a force from another dimension. Then when he stayed with a couple in Nottingham (who believed in spirit guidance) in 1990, they told him that they had been told (by spirits) to give him a book which was a "spirit message" to him. It was written by a medium about her experiences. Icke later in a hotel room asked outloud that if the spirit was there for it to contact him.

The story goes on about how he had a "tremendous urge" in a bookstore to look at the paperback books and ended up with a book by a medium and a healer. He went to this person for a "session of healing" and to get the answers to these questions. At his 3rd session with her he states how the atmosphere in the room became "charged and thicker." He also tells that "when spirits are trying to 'lock in' to our consciousness, it can feel like a spider's web has been laid across your face." (Something that happened to Icke at this time)

Then this healer "channeled" for Icke a vision of a Chinese spirit named Wang Yee Lee that also said, "Socrates is with me." Among other things this spirit, said that Icke was "a healer who was here to heal the earth, and he will be world-famous." Knowledge was to be put into Icke's mind and also he would be led to knowledge. (Truth Vibrations, pg. 17) Icke was also told that if he abused the gifts they would be "taken away." (But there were also false prophecies by this spirit in this book, such as saying that electric cars would be here in 8 years time, etc.) 

Icke believes that "everything has a spirit." There are even "spirits in books" and he said that "all his books have "his spirit in them." (Ibid., pg. 22)

He believes most of the references to reincarnation were taken from the Bible. The idea of karma doesn't add up to me, though, because when you look at India, the birthplace of it, they certainly haven't become more affluent and karma is supposed to "improve them." He also believes in the chakras, and we know that is connected with the Kundulini.

Later by visiting another psychic he was told that his role would be to "help bring about a spiritual revolution," and he would become a "cosmic parent to the planet and humanity." (Ibid., pg. 33) He was told he had the potential to be "incredibly psychic with the ability to channel information down to earth from elsewhere." He had lived many lives before and in one of them he was Anthony Bacon, brother of Francis Bacon. (Ibid., pg. 36). He believes in astrology and that we are affected throughout our lives by the planetary movements.

I've read that the bright and dark sides (known as Lucifer and Satan) are actually different sides of the same evil force. Kind of like a coin. The faces are interchangeable, but the dark side is seldom shown--at least at the first. In history these (evil) gods with many names were known as "the gods of destruction." To reach them offers the potential of enormous powers (which Icke seems to feel he has), but I think the deception to deceive the elect can be great. Anton LeVey believed in a force, which he called the "godhead". Icke believes that "we return to become part of the perfect expression of all those qualities, the Godhead." Icke also uses other words that HWA did like "wavelengths." 

Occultic power never seems to be without a price. Most people don't know that the famous medium Arthur Ford ended up as a morphine addict and alcoholic. Many other mediums and channelers also became addicted to drugs or died mysteriously. Edgar Cayce wasted to a mere 60 pounds before he died. Some of his friends thought his strange demise was related to "too many psychic readings, suffering too many psychic attacks, always encountering mysterious fires and emotional torments." This makes me wonder what will eventually happen to Icke? (Granted, if he isn't murdered first like you said.)

Icke talks about freedom and shunning control (certainly good), but by contacting spirits I wonder if he is risking relinquishing control of his own mental faculties?

I have also been wondering if Icke isn't perhaps being used by evil spirit forces to get out a mixed message to the world, kind of like HWA, but with his own spin on it. He believes we should go with "what feels right." He even goes so far as to say that we should express physical love to all those that we love. That could be carrying the love thing a little bit too far.

Occultic powers are never 100% correct. (Even Jung recognized this.) This idea of conjuring up unknown spirits and seeking secret information is what the occult is about and this does trouble me somewhat. These people in the occult have a very good talent and it's called "the Herbert Armstrong style." It was "spin control" and it answered the questions we had about what is truth? What is our destiny? Where are we going? Who was Jesus Christ? Why all the suffering on this earth? The real truth is that we are never going to have all the answers! God doesn't tell us all we may want to know in this lifetime. But He has shown His love for us through His Son and He desires for us to be with Him for all eternity. 

In Icke's book, Truth Vibrations, he tells the story about how he went into this old church and as he was looking up at this large picture of Christ it turned lack and starting moving around (except for the face of Christ). Suddenly he felt the sensation of someone pushing a pneumatic drill into the top of his head for about a half a minute. He grabbed a pew as his body vibrated from the top of his head to the base of his spine. Months later he was told that this had been the moment he had received a "gift of energy from one of the "Masters of this planetary system." It was to give him "strength and courage" and "determination to seek the truth," and the "confidence" that he would find it.

D.

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NOTE: David Icke fosters many harmful ideas, including the belief that the discovery of a "1958 manuscript" (Gnostic gospel) discredits the Bible. This and other agnostic/Gnostic beliefs have been thoroughly disproved on sites such as Christian ThinkTank. 

  Recommended books:

Between Christ and Satan by Kurt E. Koch (The dangers of occultism and the victory that Christ has won.) 

Occult ABC: Exposing Occult Practices and Ideologies by Kurt E. Koch
Discusses 71 occult practices and ideologies of today in light of Scriptural principles. Includes the effects of occult practices and how liberation comes through Christ. Also covers extreme movements of today. Numerous case histories.
Read a number of excerpts from the book. [offsite link]

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